Об уходе в нирвану из 4-й дхъяны

"And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents [asava], siding with merit, resulting in the acquisitions [of becoming]; and there is noble right view, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

"And what is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions? 'There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are brahmans & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is the right view that has effluents, sides with merit, & results in acquisitions.

"And what is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for Awakening, the path factor of right view of one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is free from effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

Я так понимаю, что буддистский правильные взгляды - это, когда ты сам понимаешь, что правильно, а что нет, а не чисто шпаришь по программе дефрагментации кармы.

то есть, на грубых уровнях сознания все ступени буддистской практики обуславливается первой ступенью - проницательностью. нет проницательности, нет самодостаточной уверенности в своей правоте - нет и всех остальных достижений. это понятно. уверенность в своей правоте - первостепенное качество для буддиста. но это, как вы говорите, на грубом уровне. а на более изысканном уровне как?

there are brahmans & contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves

... no brahmans or contemplatives who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.' This is wrong view.

At Savatthi. "Monks, eye-consciousness is inconstant, changeable, alterable. Ear-consciousness... Nose-consciousness... Tongue-consciousness... Body-consciousness... Intellect-consciousness is inconstant, changeable, alterable.

"One who has conviction & belief that these phenomena are this way is called a faith-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry shades. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.

"One who, after pondering with a modicum of discernment, has accepted that these phenomena are this way is called a Dhamma-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry shades. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.

"One who knows and sees that these phenomena are this way is called a stream-enterer, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening."

Итого, тема "есть такие взгляды", которые требуют уверенности в нечто оригинальном... на самом деле, не более, чем допущение для самого себя, что.... да, есть в это мире реализованные "брахманы" и практикующие. И отсутствие ложной уверенности, что таковых нет.

Моё мнение, что любое Воззрение любой школы и традиции инструментально, и не конечно в итоге. Потому что, скорее всего, нет Воззрения в Пробуждении, которое выразимо словами помраченных априори языков и даже с помощью символов.

Все это - лишь пальцы, указывающие на Луну. А цель, все же - Луна, а не стать специалистом по тому или иному пальцу...